Feeling the jitters before a date is normal, but what if you tackled those nerves without a drink in hand? In this episode of 'Recovery Elevator', hosts Paul Churchill and Kristopher Oyen dive into the world of sober dating. Joined by writer Zahra Bari, they unpack how modern dating often leans on alcohol to ease the awkwardness, but ends up creating more barriers than bridges.

Zahra shares her personal journey of moving from pre-date drinks to embracing genuine connections without the haze of alcohol. The trio discusses the benefits of sober dating, like making real connections and avoiding repetitive mistakes. They offer practical tips for navigating dates without alcohol, such as being upfront about your sobriety and choosing activities that don't revolve around drinking. This episode is a must-listen for anyone curious about how to date authentically while staying true to their recovery journey.

Discover tips and insights on sober dating with Paul Churchill, Kristopher Oyen, and Zahra Bari in this episode of 'Recovery Elevator'.

Dating Sober: Building Genuine Connections Without Alcohol

“There are many excuses to drink... but no reasons.”  “When you are an addict, the only line you can cross but can not come back from is death.” Dating and Sobriety Modern dating has us drinking more, but being less successful at it.  Drinking can give us a false sense of connection.  A 2014 Survey from <a href="https://www.pof.com/">Plenty of Fish</a> found that 36.4% of singles drink before going out and 48.9% drink during the date.   It's not entirely surprising that modern dating and drinking are so thoroughly linked.  Having a conversation with a stranger can be difficult, whether the internet was involved in your meeting or not.  People will drink to make themselves feel more relaxed, but in reality, all they are doing is slowing down their brains, dulling their senses and intuitions.  Not drinking works in our favor.  Jitters are your body's way of telling you that you care.  Mating is natural, primal, and our bodies have developed mechanisms for sniffing out whether or not a potential mate will be good for us.  When we drink, we are hiding parts of ourselves from our potential partner, as they are hiding from us.  Real connections sprout from the roots of honesty and vulnerability.  Believe that dating without drinking is possible.  If you find yourself struggling with the idea of a sober meet up then you probably need more time to gain your sober footing before you venture out into the wild.  In sobriety, an awkward date is simply that.. an awkward date.  It just means that you have no natural chemistry with the person, and that's ok.  Remember dating is about getting to know the other person.  Ask questions, listen to the answers.  See how you feel.  Be patient, don't rush things. The opposite of addiction is connection.   Zack, with 514 days since his last drink, shares his story...   SHOW NOTES   [12:19] Paul Introduces Zack. Zack is from Nebraska, lives in Colorado.  He's married and loves the outdoors.  [14:15] When did you first realize that you had a problem with alcohol?  Mid 20's.  He didn't want to end up like his father.  His father drinks nightly.  He realized that his friends were moving on with their lives.  He kept trying to moderate or quit unsuccessfully.    [17:00] Now that you know more about alcoholism, has your relationship with your father changed? Kind of.  He said he will never end up like his father.  He didn't start drinking until after high school.  His father helped him get his first drink.    [18:10] What did it feel like to crave alcohol?  Irritable.  He would work harder so he could get home quicker and open his first drink.  Most of the time he was drinking alone.  It started fun but he became lonely.    [20:00] When were you finally able to quit?  How?  He got a DUI.  He promised himself he wouldn't drink and drive.  He wasn't able to give up the drinking, so he just stopped driving.  He drank alone a lot.  He gained a lot of weight.  He developed other health problems.  He stopped caring.    [22:30] Did you have a rock bottom moment?  How did you quit?  For years leading up to his health scare, he would try to stop drinking.  It lead to a period of emotional numbness that scared him into taking his health seriously.  He moved to Colorado, and the geographical cure didn't work.  His application for life insurance was declined because of his many health problems.  That woke him up and he realized that it would really affect his family.  He made up his mind to quit on January 1.  He noticed his addiction lying to him in his own voice and he was able to make it through the initial stages of craving.  He almost relapsed, but the smell of the open bottle made him stop.  He reached a turning point and decided to research what he could do to stay sober.  He found a sobriety forum online and the responses were overwhelming.  He hadn't opened up to his wife about quitting drinking, so the online forum became his support.  He finally told her he quit after three months, and it was difficult for him.    [29:30] Assuming your wife will hear this recording, what would you like to say to her about your drinking?  It's been extremely difficult, and he's sorry about withholding and lying.  He's sorry for the emotional difficulty he's put her through.  Creating accountability with his wife, and joining Cafe RE has helped him to heal and grow emotionally.    [33:00] Did you experience a pink cloud?  What was it like afterwards? First 5 months or so was good.  He kept busy.  Worked a lot, hiking, running, he lost 40 pounds.  He ran his first half marathon.  Around month 10, he just slowed down and realized that he was just filling his time and not actually growing.  He realized he couldn't stay busy forever.  Podcasts helped him learn and realize that he also needed to grow emotionally.    [35:15] How was your relationship with your wife changed since you've tried to grow emotionally? He opens up to her more, which is difficult for him.  Their relationship has gotten a lot stronger because he's finally able to tell her more.  She has noticed a huge change in his state.  He is more emotionally available.  [36:40] Walk us through an ordinary day in recovery for you.  He wakes up to a workout at 4am.  He has a gratitude list.  He works from 6:30 until the afternoon.  They are in the process of remodeling their home.  He and his wife hang out for a while and connect.  [39:09] What do you value most in recovery? Better relationships with people.  He doesn't feel as isolated.  [39:27] What is your proudest moment in sobriety?  He ran his first half marathon.  His achievements in the realm of exercise have been great inspiration.    [39:50] Rapid Fire Round <ol> <li>What was your worst memory from drinking? Definitely the DUI. </li> <li>Did you ever have an “oh-shit” moment? Running out to his truck to get his whiskey bottle, and drinking as much as he could. </li> <li>What’s your plan moving forward? “One day at a time.” Focusing on relationships and creating accountability.  </li> <li>What’s your favorite resource in recovery? Cafe RE. It's accessible and he can check it every day.  </li> <li>What’s the best advice you’ve ever received (on sobriety)? Create accountability and do it as quickly as you can with as many people as you can. The more accountability you can create the more open and honest you can be and the more real support you will receive.  </li> <li>What parting piece of guidance can you give listeners who are in recovery or thinking about quitting drinking? Take it one day at a time. </li> <li>You might be an alcoholic if... “you get a DUI and the first place you go after you're released is to the liquor store.”</li> </ol> Resources mentioned in this episode: <a href= "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWQiXv0sn9Y">Mentioned John Oliver Clip</a> <a href= "https://www.recoveryelevator.com/cafere/">Connect with Cafe RE</a>- Use the promo code Elevator for your first month free <a href="https://appsto.re/us/z8w_5.i">Sobriety Tracker iTunes</a> <a href= "https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.recovery.sam.sobrietycalculatorPro"> Sobriety Tracker Android</a> Sober Selfies! - Send your Sober Selfie and your Success Story to info@recoveryelevator.com     “We took the elevator down, we gotta take the stairs back up, we can do this!”

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It isn't a NO to alcohol, but a YES to a better life!  Best selling author Paul Churchill, along with Kristopher Oyen interview people who have stepped away from alcohol in their own lives. Each week this podcast does a deep dive into an exploration of what a booze free life might look like from various perspectives and opinions. 

If you are sick and tired of alcohol making you sick and tired, we invite you to listen to Recovery Elevator. Check out what an alcohol free life can look like as others share their own stories of sobriety. If you are sober curious, newly sober, supporting a loved one or living your best life already in recovery, then you are in the right place.

This podcast addresses what to do if you’re addicted to alcohol, or if you think you’re an alcoholic. Other topics include, does moderate drinking work, does addiction serve a purpose, what happens to the brain when we quit drinking, should you track sobriety time, is A.A. right for you, spirituality, and more. 

Similar to other recovery podcasts like This Naked Mind, the Shair Podcast, and the Recovered Podcast, Paul and Kris discuss a topic and then interview someone who has ditched the booze.

Recovery Elevator

Feeling the jitters before a date is normal, but what if you tackled those nerves without a drink in hand? In this episode of 'Recovery Elevator', hosts Paul Churchill and Kristopher Oyen dive into the world of sober dating. Joined by writer Zahra Bari, they unpack how modern dating often leans on alcohol to ease the awkwardness, but ends up creating more barriers than bridges.Zahra shares her personal journey of moving from pre-date drinks to embracing genuine connections without the haze of alcohol. The trio discusses the benefits of sober dating, like making real connections and avoiding repetitive mistakes. They offer practical tips for navigating dates without alcohol, such as being upfront about your sobriety and choosing activities that don't revolve around drinking. This episode is a must-listen for anyone curious about how to date authentically while staying true to their recovery journey.

Paul Churchill

Paul Churchill

RE 176: Dating in Sobriety

RE 176: Dating in Sobriety

RE 176: Dating in Sobriety

Monday 2nd July 2018

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Dating Sober: Building Genuine Connections Without Alcohol