So just reflecting, I'm hearing that a lot of people view non-violent communication as an external dialogue, but I'm hearing that it really created a foundation of internal dialogue for you, which then informs a dyad exactly. That's exactly it, and that's one of the great tragedies, the roots of this work of NVC really are that inner connection, which is called self-connection. How connected am I with my own feelings and my needs, right? And it starts there, and then what happens is when we take this approach and I can understand somebody who's in pain and they're like, 'Oh my God, I want to resolve this painful conflict I have.' So not to put them down, but when we take that and we learn this approach and then try to use it externally without the of the tree being good, of the tree needs good roots in order to really branch out, being good of the tree needs good roots in order to really branch out to go out and do this thing interpersonally, then the quality of that interpersonal dialogue really suffers, and then it can actually backfire because they go, 'Wait a minute, you're doing some technique on me,' you know. So, but if you really, if you can do the work right to root it in the heart, then what gets conveyed is exactly what you're saying, which is how your heart is in relation to this person, and that's what loves the connection to happen in the way that NVC is offering so that's been my experience. I really like to tell people I'm more interested in the inner NVC because I trust that as you work on the roots the tree will grow out, will change your relationships. It hasn't worked for me. And yeah.