I found it easier to do [step back and brainstorm] at work than I did with my kids. I'm not trying to put words in their mouth, I'm not trying to actually, um, direct the conversation. So we'll just make sure that before we do that. Uh, sort of like it resolves and you can, kind of you can explore, with a more open heart, I think, what's going on for people you don't have that you know.