I think, when you come to a meeting and we do reread the step and sometimes you can see people's faces- they're like, and then and then it hits to the chair, and that's where the spirit, I think, just pierces people you see, like tough dudes like I was in there, like pissed off, angry, and then I'd cry every meeting- but that's the power of the meeting- is it pierces through that pride, because the spirit's there, and that's what it slowly chipped away.