Relapse: Unpacking the Realities of Recovery with David and Darcy

I think the biggest thing I would wish for- and I don't know if it's possible- is that people could, somehow we could figure out a way to help people not have to feel shame, about it, right, that's the biggest thing is that, um, even if their behavior is shameful, like when they go back out, because, but most time it's not right, it's not always shameful, and so there's got to be also an understanding that not all behavior can be accounted to same, just because that person might have been under the influence.